I went a few months ago for the first time with some notes of things to discuss with vosa from local garages with the hope of getting some feedback to pass back but it was very much like the seminars in that a spokeman from vosa gave a short talk on what they plan for the coming months then it was opened up to the floor for a discussion which was taken over by a small few garage owners who only wanted to belittle vosa and tell them what a crap job they had done and were not putting anything constructive forward. I fell that apart from few free sandwiches it was a long night and a long drive to here a few big headed people from the trade moan about know problems without any thought about being proactive.