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March 17, 2019 at 10:38 am #290664
Mack
ParticipantApologies in advance for what is going to be a long post. I want to be as clear as I can in setting out the background to my question.
Last January I had a 13 pin socket fitted to my Nissan XTrail as we had just bought a caravan. The socket was fitted by a specialist motor electrician. In March the car had its usual Main Dealer service and was MOT’d at the same time. It sailed through the MOT with no advisories. During the course of the year we toured with the caravan and the correct operation of all the lights was checked before each journey.Fast forward to this year and the car was due its annual service, but I wasn’t able to book the MOT with them and had to arrange it elsewhere for the following day. When I went to collect the car I was surprised to be told that it had failed, the reason given was “Trailer electrical socket (13 pin) not operating the trailer lamps as intended (Stop lights inoperative) [4.10 (c) (i)]â€
Now, I know that the stop lights on the caravan operate when connected to my car, but I accept that my word on this would not be enough, so I bought a Sealey TST22 test box (which is VOSA approved). This showed me that the stop lights are working.
I booked the car in for a retest and mentioned to the tester that my own observations and my (VOSA approved) test box showed that the stop lights were working. He showed me the test box he was using, which had 3 LEDs for the stop lights; 2 at low level, and 1 at high level. For my car, the high level LED was lighting up but not the bottom 2. He regarded this as a fail. He did agree to plug in my box, which only has 1 LED for the stop lights, and the LED lit up when the brake pedal was depressed.
As far as I am aware, pin 6 on the 13 pin socket is the one which controls the stop lights, so I am not how his test kit could isolate high and low level stop lights. I am also confused that 2 different pieces of VOSA approved kit appear to give 2 different results.Any thoughts and guidance would be appreciated. My initial thoughts are to make sure I go back to the Main Dealer for next year’s MOT, as they have previously had no issue with this socket.
March 18, 2019 at 4:13 am #290663Stealth
ParticipantHi Mack & welcome to the forum.
There is a known problem with some 13 pin socket test equipment. This is covered in the latest Special Notice issued by DVSA.
It may be worth calling back & asking your tester to read the notice.
March 18, 2019 at 4:56 am #290658Mack
Participant[b][user=786]Stealth[/user] wrote: [/b][quote]Hi Mack & welcome to the forum.
There is a known problem with some 13 pin socket test equipment. This is covered in the latest Special Notice issued by DVSA.
[url=https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/mot-special-notice-01-19-towbar-electrical-socket-test-tools-diesel-smoke-meters-and-annual-training-and-assessments/mot-special-notice-01-19-towbar-electrical-socket-test-tools-diesel-smoke-meters-and-annual-training-and-assessments]https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/mot-special-notice-01-19-towbar-electrical-socket-test-tools-diesel-smoke-meters-and-annual-training-and-assessments/mot-special-notice-01-19-towbar-electrical-socket-test-tools-diesel-smoke-meters-and-annual-training-and-assessments[/url]
[/quote][quote] It may be worth calling back & asking your tester to read the notice.Than[/quote]Thank you Stealth. I have been reading up on this issue, and lurking on this site gathering information. I was aware of the recent Special Notice and mentioned it to my tester. However, he did not think that this isue was related to the CANBus issues mentioned elsewhere as on his test box the LED’s were not flickering.
March 19, 2019 at 7:37 am #290659Paul S
Participantinterested to know the make & model of the trailer socket tester he was using, which had 3 LEDs for the stop lights
March 19, 2019 at 7:49 am #290665Mack
Participant[b][user=19996]Paul S[/user] wrote: [/b][quote]interested to know the make & model of the trailer socket tester he was using, which had 3 LEDs for the stop lights[/quote]Hi Paul. I did ask before buying my Sealey as I thought there would be no point in buying the same model if it would only show the same result. He showed me it and it had no branding that I could see, just the Vosa approved Logo. He said that it was supplied by their Head Office, so all their garages use the same model.
March 19, 2019 at 8:01 am #290666Paul S
Participanthttps://www.gea.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/13-Pin-Tester-List-31.5.18.pdf
got a Crypton CTT01 kinda like your Sealey TST22, aint seen one with 3 LEDs for the stop lights.. probably just me
😯March 19, 2019 at 8:54 am #290667Mack
ParticipantI am still confused as to how his rig could differentiate between High and Low level lights when all the stop lights on the caravan are powered from Pin 6 on the socket.
March 19, 2019 at 9:51 am #290668Paul S
Participantalso confused any chance you can get a photo of their Vosa approved rig?
March 19, 2019 at 10:09 am #290669Mack
Participant[b][user=19996]Paul S[/user] wrote: [/b][quote]also confused any chance you can get a photo of their Vosa approved rig?[/quote]Probably not. I have never used this place before, and don’t know the tester that well. It’s a large chain, and if he’s correct in that they all use this type of kit, then there may be others who know what it is.
March 19, 2019 at 10:43 am #290670castrolrob
Member[user=19996]Paul S[/user] wrote:
[quote]interested to know the make & model of the trailer socket tester he was using, which had 3 LEDs for the stop lights[/quote]ditto,weve got 2 different makes here neither of which differentiate between upper/lower/left/right.just one led that says brake.strange?March 19, 2019 at 11:25 am #290671Paul S
Participant[img]https://0201.nccdn.net/1_2/000/000/126/906/STA72159–4-.gif[/img]
above Ten TST 100 is on the current 13 PIN TOWBAR ELECTRICS TESTER – ACCEPTED UNITS list.. but aint seen one that includes upper brake lightMarch 19, 2019 at 11:33 am #290672Mack
ParticipantFrom memory, his was about the same size as the Sealey and had the outline of the back of a caravan in an orange colour.
March 19, 2019 at 11:44 am #290673Paul S
Participantlike this?[img]https://i.ytimg.com/vi/_9eRnZOqP8s/maxresdefault.jpg[/img]
March 19, 2019 at 11:52 am #290674Mack
Participant[b][user=19996]Paul S[/user] wrote: [/b][quote]like this?[img]https://i.ytimg.com/vi/_9eRnZOqP8s/maxresdefault.jpg[/img]Yes, I think that might be it.
[/quote]March 19, 2019 at 12:18 pm #290675Paul S
ParticipantVOSA Approved MOT Socket Tester from MOT Supplies (Butts of Bawtry)..guess thats either the JHM Butt MOTST01 EINTE15160A0511029– or
JHM Butt MOTST02 EINTE15160A0714033– on the obsolete equipment listed by dvsa
https://www.gea.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/13-Pin-Tester-List-31.5.18.pdfJHM Butt are marketing the Sealey TST22 test box now..
you could point this out to the test station in question, if in doubt pass & advise
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